4 years ago. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. He toke on beyonder and was stated to be LT's superior MM did say that he had become a component of great power, but not quite up. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. TOAA wins either way though. Hell even Strange Visitor Superman with scaling off of Mxy could take Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The recent additions of the Heart of the Universe as an accepted Canon Thing, and the Pre-Retcon Beyonder's revisions were the first results of such result. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. #1 Edited By LightningGod67. COIE Monitors cited as. " Uhhh, yes it does. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. R4 - Pre Retcon Beyonder takes on the 5 and the Defenders members at the same time. But Pre-Retcon Beyonder was around during 1985 during secret wars; making this databook not applicable to the Beyonder on the post. So I might be missing something. He can't exist beyound the source wall which limits him to not a 11-D being but probably a 10-D. The events of Secret Wars I and II were not removed from canon, what changed was the Beyonder's relationship with the other cosmic entities. Beyonder 39%. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. 3. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. R2: God stomps. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. Read my post? I even tried to say that Pennywise scaling is vague, since only the void is beyond infinite-dimensional physics, and not him himself. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. The Beyonder has always been a child-like being, which makes him very dangerous. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. You need to be logged in to post comments. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. He. Neutral Omega Beyonder has better feats. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. But it doesn't end there. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. LT has no jurisdiction over Phoenix which is why he. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. The same way how Marvel was back then a multiverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, represented by Amendment50 Elder God Demonbane, represented by God_Vulcan PLEASE VOTE FOR WHOEVER YOU THINK DEBATED THE BEST, NOT WHICH CHARACTER. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. Sorry this is turning into a minor RT haha,. -Everything in bleach. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. Forum Posts. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. He encountered the child Beyonder in the latter's. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. Somebody can ask the following members to give input here though. Thanks!!!!!fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Both are Omnipotent Supreme Beings but PRB was God to something larger than. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. 3. Morals are on for Shuma. Follow 12318. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. Beyonder was an alien entity from Marvel comics who was a multiversal threat and a hero. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Originally posted by. Pre-retcon molecule man is the most powerful version of recce. The Beyonder asks Molecule Man a question and doesn’t know if he can sacrifice Dave. But Lucifer. Hence why people differentiate the. The beyonder has way better feats. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. post retcon toaa: his power can only work on a multiverse that is stable. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. A. The same exact way Presence is the Supreme Being of the DC Multiverse. Why? Because beyonder powers are const and limited. . Team 2 = Fusion mode. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive battle between many of the mainstream. 7 K. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. 0. Period. Pages with a quote from this character will automatically be added here along with the quote. reality equals his thoughts. The omnipotent Beyonder is on a destructive rampage and has decided to destroy the entire Marvel omniverse. Round 2: All-Mighty vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. " Uhhh, yes it does. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. No, he is likely Presence level. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. Bait? 1 year ago. The Beyonder “realizes” something. Because PR Beyonder mentioned how he wants her to return what’s rightfully his, which one of things I’m assuming that could be is a portion of his power he lent or something like that. User Lists: 0We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. FIRST COSMOS. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Living tribunal. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. Doctor strange opens one in front and back. 3 years ago. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. Beyonder was a formless mindless white space above the Multiverse, made purely. This topic is locked from further discussion. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. Pre recon beyonder is not omnipotent, but nigh-omnipotent as there is only 1 omnipotent character in omniverse and in marvel it is the One Above All not Beyonder. No prep and no knowledge. No Prep. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Thanos wins this. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. In 1985, before any changes were made to the story, The Beyonder was a. Jul 30, 2018. This is PRE-Retcon Beyonder, you know, before LT could do shit to him and pulled out that asswipe explanation. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Follow 23035. #11. This topic is locked from further discussion. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Sep 20, 2018. MJJ's powers keep increasing exponentialy. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. There are Infinite, far less. Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. g. Aka via ap advantage Oblivion alone has Infinite Spatial Dimensions and is described as a realm which contains all Change and Variation within it. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. Dr Manhattan Vs The Beyonder. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Dude’s absolutely broken. I can only speak of Pre-Retcon Beyonder since that is who I am familiar with, but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. 2. Basically he is like the Amalgam Brothers, but so much powerful the Brothers would be microscopic in comparison. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. Pre retcon Beyonder & MM > Lucifer Morningstar > The Endless. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. 140. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. He's was designed by Jim Shooter to be a catch-all explanation for the existence of all the other fiction. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. I think Sun Wukong wins because he managed to achieve Nirvana which according to Buddhist teachers is transcendence of all concepts. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was. The events of. Post-Retcon Beyonder: A cosmic cube being that had split in half, the other side being Molecule Man. Yglorba • 3 yr. The power possessed by the Beyonders seems to dwarf all other beings in existence, with the exception of the One-Above-All, as the Beyonders were able to defeat and subsequently destroy every incarnation of every cosmic being that ruled over existence within a matter of months. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. show 3 replies . Jack Kline can’t do shit. Pre retcon Beyonder. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. The Forger is much stronger than Barbatos. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Numidium 2. It's more like the One Above All kind of power. #1. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. destinyman75. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. R. Reply. Ima go with byonder. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. If that's the case, Team 2 stomps. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. . The pre-retcon beyonder is aware of the writer/publishers and can threatening them so that possibly plot resistance. This pre retcon Beyonder. #1. Prepare for. It's Shown Here that both beyonder and GoS Loki have Immersion, from traveling between stories/realities from the first scan, second scan show Fictional Interaction,. Prepare for. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. Supermanthor. Problem is pre retcon Beyonder is just. Lucifer is above an Infinitely Layered Creation. @The Mjolnir Wielder: Doubt it, Beyonder has a weak will and can easily be manipulated. Beyonder stomps. First, that was a bad parody of Aquiles. Protege and Pre-Retcon Beyonder 49%. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Pre Retcon Beyonder was the original TOAA before today's TOAA was established. 1. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. The original Beyonder was considered to be the most powerful being in the multiverse, having power surpassing Cosmic Entities, such as the Living Tribunal and Eternity. In the pocket dimension, classic doctor strange would do exactly what he did. He has no concept of death he's toyed with the entire celestials even living tribunal was wetting himself. #20. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. 4 years ago #3. Pre-retcon has been stated to be millions of time stronger than all the power in the multiverse combined. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Darkest Knight Round 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted. The Beyonder didn’t know. But Lucifer should win this quite handily. The entire Watcher. Once a lowly lab technician desperate for recognition, Owen Reece miraculously became one of the most powerful beings in existence, the Molecule Man, while fixing an atomic device. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. She surpasses him in raw power by far. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. Beyonder was an incredibly powerful alien entity from Marvel comics who would becoming a recurring antagonist for several story-arcs, he was considered to be the single most dangerous threat the collective Marvel multiverse had ever faced and was compared numerous times to a Supreme Being whose power so greatly eclipsed those found in. And yeah he stomps. Cosmic armor supes needs a downgrade soon. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. thtadthtshldntb Anti nBSG Troll. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. "Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre," omipotent does not make a auto win. synnar the. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse . 7. 1. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. BEYONDERS In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . Both sides are in character but determined to win. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Jan 22, 2017. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. Shuma Gorath. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. So ultimately I don't see beyonder and molecule man taking out this Eldritch incarnation. Round 3: All-Mighty vs TOAA. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (as in, during Secret Wars II) was more powerful than the in-universe hand of the author. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Tons of awesome Beyonder wallpapers to download for free. Scarlet King (SCP) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Pre-Retcon Molecule Man (Marvel) R2:The scarlet demon, WOW I am speechless. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Spite. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". Children can be extremely capricious, and a being as powerful as the Beyonder with that attitude can be very dangerous. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the intelligence to use it, even Mxy does more. Follow 22700. I really can't be asked to go. #38 JayBlack. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was also omnipotent "And another "slight" parameter. "No other force or power in existence could. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. Locked post. I don't think that PR Beyonder would actually notice him. Hajun via feats and implied power. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. deactivated-5b3daad020468. This is the biggest mismatch. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Round 1: CAS vs. A. Wiki Points. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Even The. Definitely Beyonder. As a result, for his experiment, he. Rick Sanchez Vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder, The One Above All, The Presence, Azathoth, Doctor Manhattan, The Scarlet King, Sun Wukong, and Homelander Battle Round 1: No prep Round 2: Rick knows about everyone and gets a month of prep. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. Dec 24, 2015. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. so the Doomslayer stomps. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. Pre-retcon Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than the entire multiverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. That being said, I’m going to give this one to the pre-retcon Beyonder. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Jump Force Goku view all Shonen as fiction how will Pre Retcon Beyonder will win. 1. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). BEYONDERSIn fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. 14 years ago. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. Still Pre-Retcon Beyonder. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. bigbran. He would erase him from existence. Jmarshmallow. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Preretcon Beyonder wins. #2 blackspidey2099. Beyonder can destroy the concept of death to the point that above Infinite-D beings like Molecule Man couldn't kill a freaking flower and can restore it while being power depleted with just a. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. 0. The All-Mighty (SCP) vs TOAA, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and Oblivion (Marvel) All of them at their strongest. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. The Beyonders who are attacking the multiverse are beings that live in the beyond, which most likely is either outside the multiverse, or be void between universes. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Pre-Retcon Beyonder ruins them casually. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. Forum Posts. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. Follow 1712. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. Neutral. Only if the Beyonder is in his realm, but that becomes a major stomp based on whats said here. . At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. which. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. Pre Retcon Beyonder. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. 2. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. . However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. No prep. Anti-Monitor's probably on the scale of pre-retcon Molecule Man, a foe that Beyonder was able to beat. PR Beyonder can see the future, he can manipulate reality itself, he was responsible for bringing all of the heroes and villains to. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Lucifer is way above pre Retcon BeyonderPRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. 0. Beyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. who universe. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". 0. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs.